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BeitragVerfasst am: Di Jun 18, 2013 20:42:22 
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Kompletter Wahnsinn...

http://diepresse.com/home/politik/aussenpolitik/1420150/Afghanistan_USA-bieten-Taliban-Frieden?_vl_backlink=/home/index.do

Im Prinzip sollte dieser Schwachsinn dazu reichen, dass man einen erfolgreichen Impeachment Process gegen US Pres. Obama von Kongresseite macht..

Ob die GOP dazu noch intelligent genug ist, bleibt abzuwarten..

Wahnsinn, Milliarden und Aber Milliarden vergeudet, tausende, ja, zig tausende Menschen umsonst gestorben...

Herr Obama macht die Taliban wieder salonfähig...

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BeitragVerfasst am: Mi Jun 19, 2013 16:03:17 
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Was bleibt ihm auch anderes übrig?
Besiegen kann er die Taliban nicht. Und ewig vor Ort bleiben, ist auch keine Alternative.
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BeitragVerfasst am: Mi Jun 19, 2013 16:13:16 
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mit der afghanischen Regierung dürfte sich die Obamaadministration diesbezüglich offenbar nur ungenügend abgesprochen haben...

der ist hochgeradig gefährlich inkompetent der Pres. Obama...so einen Blödsinn hat nicht einmal der Pres. Carter zusammengebracht..und der war schwach...

die ersten Wickel gibt es schon...nicht überraschend..

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Afghanistan Suspends Security Talks With U.S.

By NATHAN HODGE And YAROSLAV TROFIMOV

KABUL—The high-profile opening of a Taliban political office in Qatar provoked a furious reaction from Afghan President Hamid Karzai Wednesday, who suspended key security talks with the U.S. and whose peace negotiators said they wouldn't participate in planned talks with the Taliban.

The moves jeopardize U.S. plans to maintain a military presence after the coalition's mandate ends next year—and put into question an effort to bring the Afghan government and its Taliban foes to the negotiating table.

A terse statement released by Mr. Karzai's palace said the Afghan government had suspended the latest round of talks with the U.S., already under way in the Afghan capital, "in view of the contradiction between acts and the statements made by the United States of America in regard to the peace process."

While Tuesday's opening of the Taliban's office in the Persian Gulf emirate of Qatar had been discussed between Washington and Kabul, Afghan officials were upset with how prominent the ceremony turned out to be. The Taliban flew their white flag in the presence of Qatari officials and displayed a plaque with the words Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan—the country's name under Taliban rule.

Ataullah Ludin, deputy head of Afghanistan's High Peace Council, a body created by Mr. Karzai to facilitate outreach to the insurgent leadership, said Afghan envoys wouldn't go Qatar because the Taliban had "violated" terms promised by the U.S. to the Afghan government.


"The Taliban opened their office as the 'Political Office of the Islamic Emirate,' and they did not mention the Afghan government and the High Peace Council as a party to the talks," he said.

Mr. Ludin added that the Taliban office "must change its name to the 'negotiation address,' otherwise we will not participate in talks."

U.S. President Barack Obama on Wednesday acknowledged the Kabul government's response. "There were some concerns about the manner in which the Taliban opened it, some of the language that they used," he said in a news conference with German Chancellor Angela Merkel in Berlin. "We had anticipated at the outset that there were going to be some areas of friction, to put it mildly, in getting this thing off the ground."

Added Mr. Obama: "That's not surprising. As I said, they've been fighting for a very long time."

Afghan officials have long insisted that the Taliban office in Qatar shouldn't have the trappings of an embassy or a political mission, and that its activities should be limited to negotiating with Mr. Karzai's administration. But the mission that was inaugurated in the presence of senior Qatari officials in Doha on Tuesday seemed like a de facto Taliban embassy, with a plaque proclaiming it the "Political Office of the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan."

Tuesday also marked the formal handover of security responsibilities from the U.S.-led coalition to Afghan forces, who are taking the lead as U.S and international troops prepare to go home by the December 2014 deadline.

The security discussions between the U.S. and Afghanistan have been over a post-2014 mission, dubbed "Resolute Support," which would provide for a limited number of military trainers and counter-terrorism forces to remain in the country. The talks have been complicated by several disagreements, including over the immunity that U.S. troops would enjoy from Afghan laws.

Speaking to reporters days before Wednesday's suspension, Marine Corps Gen. Joseph Dunford, the commander of the U.S.-led coalition, said, "The bilateral security agreement is critical to any post-2014 presence. So it needs to be taken seriously on both sides."

Failure to reach a similar agreement in Iraq led to the complete withdrawal of U.S. forces at the end of 2011.



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BeitragVerfasst am: Mi Jun 19, 2013 16:41:14 
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Obama kann man/frau fuer diese situation NICHT verantwortlich machen.
Der vollkoffer GWB und seine illuminierten haendler haben diesen
mist begonnen, wissend das dieser krieg nicht zu gewinnen ist/war.
Aber wem kuemmerts? Gewisse personen/kreise/gruppen machten
billionen profite.
Und der oilpreis ist sehr hoch, noch mehr gewinne fuer obige gruppe!
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BeitragVerfasst am: Mi Jun 19, 2013 21:45:12 
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ist sehr schräg, was der Schwätzer und Blender im Weissen Haus zu Washington , DC da vorhat...

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Release Osama Bin Laden’s Files on Taliban

2:24 PM, JUN 19, 2013 • BY THOMAS JOSCELYN

The Obama administration announced on Tuesday that it was moving forward with its attempt to negotiate with the Taliban, which has opened a long-awaited political office in Doha, Qatar. The Taliban released a statement trumpeting its new political front. Within hours, Afghan president Hamid Karzai blasted the U.S. government, saying the talks will only advance “foreigners' strategies and goals” and are “completely in contradiction to the assurance that was given to Afghanistan by the United States of America.”


This does not bode well for an initiative that should be “Afghan-led, Afghan-owned,” to quote one administration official who spoke with reporters.

Meanwhile, the Obama administration has withheld from the American public a key source for evaluating the reasonableness of its effort: Osama bin Laden’s files.

One of the administration’s principal goals is to convince the Taliban that it must permanently separate itself from al Qaeda. But what we know from published reports suggests that the bin Laden’s archive shows tight collusion between al Qaeda and the Taliban, making the administration’s stated goal a fool’s errand.

On April 29, 2012, the Guardian (UK) reported that bin Laden’s files “show a close working relationship between top al Qaeda leaders and Mullah Omar, the overall commander of the Taliban, including frequent discussions of joint operations against Nato forces in Afghanistan, the Afghan government and targets in Pakistan.”

The Guardian continued by reporting that the “communications show a three-way conversation between Bin Laden, his then deputy Ayman Zawahiri and Omar.” One “Washington-based source familiar with the documents” told the newspaper that bin Laden’s files indicate a “very considerable degree of ideological convergence” between al Qaeda and the Taliban.

Four days later, on May 3, 2012, just 17 documents out of bin Laden’s enormous cache were published by West Point’s Combating Terrorism Center (CTC). The documents cited by the Guardian were not among them. The 17 documents were not selected by the CTC’s analysts, but instead by Obama administration officials.

Why didn’t the administration release the documents showing al Qaeda’s “close working relationship” with the Taliban? We do not know for certain, but the Guardian’s account provides a clue.

The Guardian concluded: “The news [discovered in bin Laden’s files] will undermine hopes of a negotiated peace in Afghanistan, where the key debate among analysts and policymakers is whether the Taliban – seen by many as following an Afghan nationalist agenda – might once again offer a safe haven to al-Qaida or like-minded militants, or whether they can be persuaded to renounce terrorism.”

Bin Laden’s documents should be released to the American public, even if they complicate the administration’s attempt to talk the Taliban out of its well-established relationship with al Qaeda.

Unsurprisingly, the Taliban has thus far refused to disavow al Qaeda. In its statement announcing its new political office, Mullah Omar’s organization says that it “does not wish to harm other countries from its soil and neither will it allow others [to] use Afghan soil to pose a threat to the security of other nations!”

This is an empty promise. The Taliban’s soil was repeatedly used to launch international terrorist attacks prior to September 11, 2001. Even if Mullah Omar initially objected to 9/11 and other such attacks, he did not or could not stop them. And al Qaeda continues to plot attacks from areas of northern Pakistan that are controlled by the Haqqani Network, which is part of the Taliban coalition. Moreover, al Qaeda already has established safe havens inside Afghanistan today – namely, in the Kunar and Nuristan provinces.

Bin Laden’s archive contains many details about al Qaeda’s relationships with the Taliban, the Haqqani Network, and other players inside Afghanistan and Pakistan. While exceptions can be made for operationally sensitive documents, there is no good reason the American people shouldn’t be able to see most of bin Laden’s files.

Thomas Joscelyn is a senior fellow at the Foundation for Defense of Democracies.


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BeitragVerfasst am: Do Jun 20, 2013 06:51:33 
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je nachdem welche Studien man hernimmt betrugen allein die Kosten des Einsatzes in Afghanistan für den US Steuerzahler, ja, bis jetzt irgendwo zwischen 600 und 800 MRD USD, Folgekosten noch nicht eingerechnet..

im UK zig MRD Pfund, dann kommen noch MRD dazu die die anderen Koalitionskräfte eingesetzt haben..

Und jetzt geht man "einfach" und sagt den Afghanen, machts Euch das selbst, und wenn ihr nicht selbst Ordnung schaffen könnt und in ein oder zwei Jahren wieder die Steinzeitlerpartie von Taliban am Ruder ist, sorry bad luck....

Und die Taliban haben nach wie vor von Pakistan aus einflussreiche Förderer..

ist doch bitte heller Wahnsinn..

und dann geht die Chose wieder von vorn los, wenn ein paar Verrückten wieder ein paar grosse Terroranschläge in den USA oder Europa gelingen..
da ist doch was schiefgelaufen, oder läuft was schief...?

Seh ich das ganz falsch?
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Facette in dem Zusammenhang..

http://diepresse.com/home/politik/aussenpolitik/1420593/Iran-will-USPraesenz-in-Afghanistan-loswerden?from=gl.home_politik
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BeitragVerfasst am: Mo Jul 01, 2013 09:39:45 
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http://www.aei.org/article/foreign-and-defense-policy/regional/india-pakistan-afghanistan/the-danger-of-talking-with-the-taliban/
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